“Has had” or “had had”?

by Christine on October 27, 2009


A while ago, MiszSensei, an English lecturer from KPTM – Kolej Poly-Tech MARA, asked me the above question, which is on the perfect tenses. I understand her situation because my own students used to be puzzled by this as well :-)

Wren Martin High School English Grammar and CompositionI’d like to refer her to “Wren & Martin’s High School English Grammar and Composition”* (an oldie but goodie which I’d used in my English classes for grammar discussion).

Has had” is in the Present Perfect Tense, which is used:

1. To indicate completed activities in the immediate past e.g.:

- He has just gone out.

- It has just struck ten.

2. To express past actions whose time is not given and not definite; e.g.:

- Have you read ‘Gulliver’s Travels’?

- Mr. Hari has been to Japan (Note: We are not informed of the exact date he visited the country.)

3. To describe past events when we think more of their effect in the present than of the action itself e.g.:

- I have cut my finger (and it is bleeding now.)

- I have finished my work (= now I am free).

4. To denote an action beginning at some time inthe past and continuing up to the present moment, e.g.:

- I have known him for a long time.

- We have lived here for ten years.

The examples above from Wren & Martin clearly explain the use of the Present Perfect Tense. Students need to remember that the clause “has had” is made up of 2 verbs, similar to the examples above:

- She has had her breakfast.

- I have had enough of your nonsense!

- We have had too many durians.

Had had” is in the Past Perfect Tense, which is used in these 2 situations:

1. To describe an action completed before a certain moment in the past or

2. If two actions happened in the past, it may be necessary to show which action happened earlier than the other.

For example:

- I met him in New Delhi in 1970. I had seen him last five years before.

- When I reached the station, the train had started.

- I had written the letter before he arrived.

Here are some examples of “had had” in use from the BBC World Service | Learn English site:

- After he’d had a good night’s sleep, he felt much better.

- She sacked him before he had had a chance to explain his behaviour.

- By the time he was twenty he’d already had four different jobs.

- If I hadn’t had a good education, I would never have got this job.

- If she had had children later in life, she would have been a better mother.

- If I’d had another ten minutes, I would’ve finished the examination paper.

I apologize for the late response and hope that you will still find this useful!

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miszsensei October 27, 2009 at 3:24 pm

hi christine,
Thanx for this entry! It’s very useful indeed.. owhh by the way, I am from KPTM – Kolej Poly-Tech MARA not UiTM, but I do teach UiTM students (we have students taking diploma courses from UiTM at our college). I hope you could correct that coz I am afraid that certain people might not be happy about that.. :)

Anyway, thanx again… but watch out.. coz I might ask you more questions… hehe…

fit October 28, 2009 at 3:35 pm

Sometimes Malaysian people like to say ‘ I was’ but the correct one is ‘I were’, right?.. or am i wrong?

miszsensei October 29, 2009 at 11:03 pm

thanx christine!

Christine Jalleh November 11, 2009 at 7:24 pm

Fit – I need to know more about the context you hear “I was” or “I were” being used because both can be correct :-)

E.g.
a) I was in Kuala Lumpur last week.

b) If I were a butterfly, I thank you, God, for giving me wings.

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